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No-Hitter Etiquette

Baseball Etiquette 2010: Never Post to a Message Board About a No-Hitter in Progress

Posted on by Jason Turbow

Yovani Gallardo took a perfect game into the sixth inning for the Brewers on Thursday, which, as it turns out this season, isn’t all that rare a feat.

Still, it led to some message-board hilarity, as it relates to jinxes and the sort.

The following are all taken from a string on the HF Boards.

A user named Ixcuincle started things off at 2:33 p.m.:

Gallardo allegedly has a perfect game

This drew a sharp retort from STEVE HOLT, at 2:36 p.m.

WTF? You should never, under any circumstances, mention a perfect game as it is in progress. It’s baseball etiquette.

– Jimmy

Jiri Bicek weighed in a minute later:

Now we know that if Gallardo doesn’t get it, it’s because of that post on HF

But really, it was MD23Rewls who decided to go crazy, at 2:38 p.m.:

It has no effect on whether someone pitches a perfect game. You really believe that? I don’t agree with you, that’s not a professional attitude. Why shouldn’t he say it? Tell me Jimmy. Tell me why. Why? Why? Don’t tell me it’s etiquette, you know it used to be etiquette to have black people as slaves. Tell me why. Tell me exactly why. Jimmy, tell me why. That’s a stupid, stupid thing to say. You’re not giving me reasons. That’s why there was Nazi Germany. Why did they march people into ovens? Well, that’s just what they did. That’s what they were told to do. That’s a stupid, stupid reason. “Oh, its baseball etiquette.” That’s ridiculous. “I was just following orders.” But, why? “Well they told me to.” But, why? “Well they told me to.” That’s asinine. People actually believe this. They actually believe this. Mind boggling. It’s just mind boggling. You make no sense. You know how dumb you sound when you think a poster can affect the game? How stupid you sound? How infantile?

It takes some sort of chutzpah to compare talking about a no-hitter in progress to slavery and the Holocaust, but MD23Rewls managed to pull it off.

Rather than address him directly, STEVE HOLT took the most effective measure possible, at 2:39 p.m.:

You see what you people did?

Perfect game over.

Classic.

– Jason

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No-Hitter Etiquette, Roy Halladay

Nearly Perfect Perfect-Game Decorum During Halladay’s Gem

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Roy Halladay’s perfect game on Saturday was a study in execution. Pitching dominance is one thing, but the performance also served to illustrate any number of lessons having to do with no-hitter decorum.

Don’t talk to the pitcher

The Code says to never address a pitcher as he’s throwing a no-hitter. Because Halladay generally doesn’t talk to teammates through the course of any of his starts, this wasn’t difficult to pull off. When asked the point at which his teammates started avoiding him, he said, “2:30, 3 o’clock this afternoon.”

Change nothing
Routines are important in baseball. According to superstition, should somebody change something—anything—they could well find themselves serving up an unintentional jinx.

According to tradition, various members of the Phillies kept up with whatever they’d been doing:

  • General manager Ruben Amaro Jr. had planned to spend only two innings watching the game from the stands, but as Halladay piled up out after out, he opted not to move.
  • In the bullpen, relievers went through their usual routines for preparing to enter the game, even though it was clear that none of them would be needed.
  • Philadelphia’s reserve players didn’t move from their spots on the bench after the sixth inning; pitching coach Rich Dubee didn’t uncross his legs for the final three frames.
  • In the broadcast booth, TV play-by-play man Tom McCarthy refrained from getting up for his usual seventh-inning break. (Although he did discuss the perfect game on the air. So much for that jinx.)

Respect greatness
The Phillies’ bench wasn’t the only location in the ballpark for perfect- game decorum. In its review of the game, Baseball Daily Digest reported that Marlins outfielder Chris Coghlan—already upset by several outside pitches that had been called strikes by umpire Mike Dimuro, including a first-inning third-strike call that would have been ball four—snapped, “That was off the plate!” after a similar third-strike call in the seventh inning.

Still, when asked about the pitches after the game, Coghlan demurred.
“I don’t want to talk about the strike zone, because that’s a discredit to what (Halladay) did,” he said in the MLB.com report. “He was moving the ball all over, to both sides of the plate. Even when he got to 2-2, 3-2, he was able to locate offspeed pitches. He threw a great game.”

Opposing jinxes
While teammates are expected to refrain from jinxing greatness, the same criteria needn’t apply to the opposition. Gary Matthews reported that the Sun Life Stadium grounds crew, stationed near the dugout, spoke about the no-hitter with considerable volume, going so far as to ask Matthews if he was aware of it.

Meanwhile, reports Baseball Daily Digest, the Marlins’ TV crew did its part to jinx the effort on the air. (To be fair, they could be seen as simply doing their jobs as announcers. Read BDD’s account and judge for yourself.)

Fourth inning
This was the inning the Marlins’ TV announcers, Rich Waltz and Tommy Hutton, began to try to jinx the perfect game, saying that Halladay had been perfect thus far and that he’s never thrown a no-hitter.

Seventh inning
The Marlins TV announcers’ jinx was in full effect. They began to show highlights of Dallas Braden’s perfect game. It became clear to me that when you TRY to jinx something, it really doesn’t work.

Eighth inning
Now the TV announcers are doing whatever they can do, bringing up the fact that Halladay has never thrown a no-hitter and that in his second ever start, he had a no-hitter going with two outs in the ninth when Bobby Higginson hit a solo homerun.

It can be argued that Marlins manager Fredi Gonzalez fit into this category by sending three straight pinch-hitters to the plate in the ninth, in an effort to get to Halladay. Should the score have been 4-0, this could have been seen as a clear sign of disrespect for the moment. Because it was a 1-0 game, however, Gonzalez had wide-reaching Code immunity to do whatever he felt gave his team the best chance to get back into the game.

Update: McCarthy on TV, and Philadelphia’s radio play-by-play man, Scott Franzke, discussed the stresses of calling a perfect game with The Sporting News.

McCarthy: As for the superstitions, I don’t get caught up in them because I think it would be a disservice to the listeners or the viewers. I didn’t want to pound the fact that it was a perfect game, but I always feel like it is important to tell the story. You have to. I think I said no-hitter a few times and perfect game twice, but I didn’t say it over and over again. I have always felt that way. I thought the video [the telecast showed video of Jim Bunning’s perfect game for the Phillies] was important to put the outing into perspective and I was excited that we had it handy. With all of that said, I did stay in the booth the whole time and not move.

Franzke: I don’t think I shied away from saying the actual words. It’s funny that I mention it a number of times that he’s been perfect. I can’t tell you when I might have said the words perfect game together. I sit next to, obviously, an ex-player and he has a lot of things ingrained in his mind – in terms of Larry Anderson – from the days of being on a bench and being with guys who may be in the process of throwing a no-hitter. He’s got certain superstitions, but I’ve always said, look, especially on radio, there’s just no way around it. You have to say it. You have to let people know what’s going on. You have to understand that two-thirds of your audience at any given moment are either turning on the radio or turning off the radio. They are getting in and out of their cars, by and large, so you have to make them aware, constantly, of what’s going on.

Again, I don’t know whether I did it enough, whether I do it too much, but I certainly don’t try to avoid saying the words just because of a ball player’s superstition or whatever superstition the fans have.

– Jason

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Adrian Beltre, Daisuke Matsuzaka, No-Hitter Etiquette

Beltre’s Dive Shows the Code at Work

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The things one doesn’t do during a teammate’s no-hitter—like, say, talk about it—have been well discussed.

Saturday, Adrian Beltre exemplified what one one does do, as Daisuke Matsuzaka angled to hold the Phillies without a hit.

After Raul Ibanez led off the eighth inning with a walk, Carlos Ruiz smashed a line drive toward the hole on the left side. Beltre improbably snared it with a dive, then threw to first to double up Ibanez. (Watch it here.)

Although the play preserved the no-hitter for only one more batter—Juan Castro followed with a soft hit that fell just beyond the reach of shortstop Marco Scutaro—its intention was paramount.

“You get a little more aggressive because you’d rather have an E-5 than a hit in that situation,” Beltre told ESPNBoston.com. “You don’t get many chances to play behind a no-hitter, and you want to do whatever you can to prevent any little single.”

It’s small, but it’s noteworthy. Ballplayers altering their actions on the field solely out of respect for a teammate’s accomplishment—it’s the heart of the unwritten rules.

– Jason

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Dallas Braden, Dallas Braden, Don't Bunt to Break Up a No-Hitter, Evan Longoria, No-Hitter Etiquette

Details Emerge from Braden’s Perfect Game; He Dropped the Ball

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The A’s left town for a week an hour after Dallas Braden’s perfect game on Mother’s Day, leaving many questions about no-hitter etiquette to wait for their return.

I tracked Braden down this afternoon before the A’s hosted Seattle, to pick up some of the particulars. The most controversial play of the game was Evan Longoria’s fifth-inning bunt attempt that ultimately rolled foul. It would have been easy to condemn the strategy had it come later in the game or with a more lopsided score, but even Braden conceded that Longoria was well within his rights.

“It was early in the game, and he was trying to get some things going for his offense,” he said. “Later in the game, maybe with multiple outs, it might be a different story. But I respect what he did. That’s him understanding something has to happen right now, and it has to be sooner rather than later, and he didn’t want to wait around for someone else to get it going. It actually speaks to what kind of a leader he’s trying to become. He’s very savvy, a good player, and he wants to get something going. From a competitor’s standpoint, you have to respect that.”

Longoria’s bunt might have been the most prominent Code-related play, but it had already received considerable attention through the ensuing week. Much less discussed was the no-hitter etiquette observed in the A’s dugout.

Because Braden’s not chatty on days he pitches, especially during the game, it was hardly surprising to find out that his teammates didn’t come anywhere near him as the innings whiled by. (“I did notice that nobody was even looking at me,” he said. “I didn’t make eye contact with one person.”)

He did, however, drop the ball.

Before each inning, plate umpire Jim Wolf tossed a ball to Braden, who, as is his habit, caught it in front of the mound, removed his glove and rubbed it up as he ascended to the rubber.

Until the ninth inning, when he accidentally let it fall.

“(Reliever) Brad Ziegler told me in the shower that out in the bullpen, everybody went ‘Whooooooooa,’ ” Braden said. “He said, ‘I just want to let you know, I watched you drop the ball, and we all lost it out there.’ ”

“It was one of those weird things, because everything else he did that day was, well, perfect,” said reliever Michael Wuertz. “But obviously, thankfully, it didn’t have any effect.”

Even though members of the bullpen were physically separated from Braden, they maintained strict silence when it came to discussing what was happening on the field . . . until Ziegler nearly ruined it in the sixth inning, after Gabe Kapler’s epic 12-pitch at-bat.

Said Ziegler: “I looked down at (fellow reliever) Jerry Blevins and said, ‘Hey . . .’ And Blevins just started shaking his head, like he didn’t want to talk to me. Still, I said, ‘Was Kapler the guy who hit the ball that Dewayne Wise caught in the Buehrle perfect game (in 2009)?” (Kapler’s drive was indeed snared by Wise on the far side of the outfield fence, and returned to the field of play for a perfect-game-saving catch.)

Blevins didn’t respond. Luckily, he didn’t have to.

While nobody referenced the perfect game Braden was throwing, Ziegler received affirmation from the bullpen’s Killer B’s—Bailey, Blevins and Breslow—that it had indeed been Kapler who nearly ruined another perfect game.

The unwritten rule about referencing a no-hitter in progress is vague when it comes to referencing a no-hitter other than the one being thrown. Should someone want to point toward such a thing as a potential jinx, that’s their superstitious right.

In the Code vs. Brad Ziegler, however, the ruling is clearly in Ziegler’s favor.  No jinxing was done, so no fingers need be pointed.

– Jason

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Atlanta Braves, Bobby Cox, No-Hitter Etiquette, Scott Olson, Washington Nationals

Olson’s Near-No-Hitter Invaded by Marauding Mound Tampers

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Most baseball fans are aware the rule mandating that players avoid discussion of a no-hitter being thrown by a teammate.

Few, however, realize the depth of superstition in this arena. Guys in the dugout maintain whatever routine they’re in, as changing a pattern could constitute a jinx.

Bobby Cox

In the middle of Sandy Koufax’s no-hitter in 1963, for example, Dodgers rookie Dick Calmus jumped off the bench to applaud; coach Leo Durocher told him to sit down and zip it.

Bob Brenly found himself tapping the knob of Matt Kata’s bat during the middle innings of Randy Johnson’s perfect game in 2004, then couldn’t stop himself, despite the increasing pain, into the late innings. “I did not move off of that bat rack,” he said. “I knocked on that bat on every pitch. My knuckles were raw by the end of the game, but I just felt that you can’t change anything.”

During Nolan Ryan’s seventh no-hitter, umpire Tim Tschida spent the early innings bypassing Rangers catcher Mike Stanley when it came to getting new baseballs to the mound, opting instead to throw them himself. In the ninth inning, however, Tschida let Stanley do the work. When he handed a baseball to the catcher, however, Stanley, handed it right back, refusing to tackle that kind of responsibility.

None of this even considers the concepts of warming up a reliever or making a defensive substitution, things that can conceivably project anti-karma in exactly the same way.

All of which is a lead-in to yesterday’s near-no hitter from Washington’s Scott Olsen, which he carried into the eighth inning against the Braves.

It’s fairly expected for the opposition to try to get inside a pitcher’s head in any way possible. During a no-hitter, this means making him aware that he’s headed toward potential immortality—a fact they hope will spook him. This type of bench jockeying is hardly unusual.

Ex-Cardinals pitcher Joe Magrane, for example, had a habit of yelling things like, “Hey, let’s break up his no-hitter,” loud enough to reach the mound. (At least one of his teammates, Rex Hudler, didn’t appreciate it. “He didn’t have to go up there and face the guy,” said Hudler. “There were times when I’d tell him to shut up. Don’t let your mouth write checks my body can’t cash.”)

As prevalent as the strategy is, does it work? “No,” said Mets manager Jerry Manuel. “Heck no. You’d think it would, but it doesn’t.”

The Braves, however, took things a step further against Olsen, requesting in the bottom of the seventh inning that the National Park grounds crew tamp down the mound. Talk about changing things.

Two batters and eight pitches into the top of the eighth, Olsen gave up a hit. Two batters after that, he was out of the game.

(It must also be noted that prior to that inning, Washington manager Jim Riggleman did some changing of his own, sliding Adam Kennedy from second base to first to replace the ham-handed Adam Dunn, and inserted Alberto Gonzalez at second.)

Perhaps an unusual divot had formed that presented some sort of danger to Braves pitcher Tim Hudson, which required some mound maintenance. That would provide sufficient explanation.

The question for baseball fans is, when was the last time you actually saw something like that happen during the course of a game? In the vast majority of cases, the answer would be, never.

Braves manager Bobby Cox is a master strategist, and in the last season of a long and wildly successful tenure. Might he do something like this to avoid the additional pressure that being no-hit might contribute to an already struggling team?

Just maybe.

– Jason

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Dave Sims, Larry Stone, No-Hitter Etiquette

Don’t Talk About a No-Hitter, Chapter 4 (and We’re Still in April)

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Seattle pitcher Doug Fister took a no-hitter into the seventh inning last night against the Baltimore Orioles. On the television broadcast, Dave Sims and Mike Blowers refrained from referring to the feat through the first six frames—at which point Sims went to commercial with the comment, “14 straight scoreless innings for Fister, and a six-inning no-hit bid tonight.”

Sure enough, the first Baltimore batter in the seventh, Nick Markakis, singled up the middle.

Needless to say, Sims took some heat, particularly via Twitter. One need look no farther than his string of replies to get an idea about what kind of venom was being sent in his direction.

Hey Mariners fans re: Fister no-hit bid–my job is telling the story, not cowering to jinx theories.Go Mariners!
about 16 hours ago via web

@PositivePauly Pauly, if the best anncr ever, Vin Scully, doesn’t
subscribe to the no-hitter jinx stuff, it’s plenty good 4 me.
about 16 hours ago via Echofon in reply to PositivePauly

@REALPeterMag Pete, my job is to tell the game story, not adhere
to jinx theories.
about 16 hours ago via Echofon in reply to REALPeterMag

@dpmiv Pete, jinx’ are not my concern, telling the story is my job.
about 16 hours ago via Echofon in reply to dpmiv

@PositivePauly Dude, relax!
about 16 hours ago via Echofon in reply to PositivePauly

@Hodepwns Fans’ jinx belong to them, not to b’casters!
about 16 hours ago via Echofon in reply to Hodepwns

@JrDub83 Thx for the heads up, but jinx’ aren’t my concern. Telling
the story is my job!
about 16 hours ago via Echofon in reply to JrDub83

@JrDub83 My job is to tell the story, not adhere to your
superstition. It’s not announcer’s fault Markakis hit a bullet thru the 5hole.
about 16 hours ago via web in reply to JrDub83

As far as I’m concerned, the best thing about the incident is that it inspired Larry Stone of the Seattle Times, the best chronicler of the unwritten rules in the newspaper business, to weigh in:

I even took some heat myself last night (mostly good-natured. I think.) for blogging that Fister had a no-hitter going, and for talking about it in the press box. One, I don’t believe in no-hit jinxes, and I certainly don’t believe in them when it comes to a reporter covering the game. Pitchers lose no-hitters because it’s exceedingly hard to retire 27 batters without giving up a base hit, not because an announcer, or a sportswriter, had the audacity to talk about it.

I, too, fall into this camp. I certainly don’t fault Blowers (a former player) and those like him, who find creative ways to work around actually mentioning those words during the course of a broadcast. But should should a play-by-play man decide to do his job and inform listeners in a clear voice about what’s going on, more power to him.

After all, David Cone listened to Michael Kay talk about his 1999 perfect game over and over while in the clubhouse between innings, and it didn’t set back his cause any. Sims is in a similar situation; he’s not the one who gave up the hit to Markakis, and he shouldn’t be the one blamed for it.

Find our other posts on the topic here, here and here.

– Jason

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No-Hitter Etiquette, Passing Rules Down

‘Hey, You Have a No-Hitter Going,’ or: When to Keep Your Mouth Shut

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One of our abiding questions through the process of reporting this book concerned the point in their careers at which players learn the unwritten rules, or at least become cognizant of their existence. Legacy players like Ken Griffey Jr., Prince Fielder and the Hairston boys, all with big-league dads, were taught early. Others had the good fortune of playing for experienced coaches as youths. (“One of my coaches when I was 13 or 14 was an ex-major-leaguer, Mike Epstein,” Eric Chavez told me recently. “Everything we did was everything he learned as a ballplayer. Also, he majored in philosophy [at U.C. Berkeley]. There was nothing that got by him.”)

Shockingly, some players don’t learn about the Codes until they get to the big leagues.” If you don’t have veterans on your minor league clubs, which a lot of clubs don’t have, a lot of that education starts at the big league level,” said Hal McRae.

What’s very clear is that players in high school and even college are not held to the same standards. Look no further than a news account out of Arkansas published this morning, detailing a local prep’s no-hitter. Straight from the mouth of pitcher Trey Wiley, describing the moment at which he was just one out away:

“I never thought about it, not until there was two outs when (third baseman) Derek (Nation) threw me the ball after I struck the last kid out and he goes, ‘You know you’ve got a no-hitter, right?'” Wiley said. “Then after that, I was just like, ‘Uh oh, I’ve got to get this guy.'”

Had Wiley given up a hit at that point, Nation’s primary story of his time as a high school baseball player would likely have forever after spun on the question, “What if I hadn’t said anything?” But as they say, no harm, no foul. It’s not the big leagues, after all.

– Jason

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Buck Martinez, No-Hitter Etiquette, Ricky Romero, Shaun Marcum

Talking About a No-Hitter, Broadcasters Edition

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How players deal with a no-hitter in progress is unequivocal. Shut up, never mention it and stay the hell away from the pitcher.

Broadcasters, however, own a different set of responsibilities. It’s in their job description, after all, to tell the audience what’s happening on the field. Said ex-big-leaguer-turned-broadcaster Steve Lyons, “If you want people to stay tuned, you should probably mention, ‘Hey, hang in there, don’t go anywhere—guy’s throwing a no-hitter.’ ”

Of course, not every broadcaster feels this way.

Buck Martinez spent 17 years as a major league catcher, and managed the Blue Jays for a season-and-a-half. During that time the lessons he learned apparently became quite ingrained.

Martinez now broadcasts Blue Jays games, and so far this young season has had two opportunities to describe home-team no-hitters into the deep innings. Except that he didn’t.

From Bruce Dowbiggin’s column in the Globe and Mail:

As Shaun Marcum and Ricky Romero no-hit their opponents until late in the game, viewers discovered “no-hitter” seemed to be the hardest words to say for Martinez and analyst Pat Tabler (also a former player).

There were euphemisms about players not rounding first base successfully. Or suggestions that opponents lacked for men on base. But the no-no was a no-no between Martinez and Tabler.

“I guess I’m still a baseball player at heart,” Martinez said yesterday. “I was a little reluctant to say the words. It’s not like we’re in the dugout. But I know that players have the TV on in the clubhouse, and I’d hate for a young guy to go in there and hear me say ‘no-hitter.’ I don’t know what it might do to him. I suppose old habits die hard.”

Of course, during David Cone’s perfect game in 1999, he went to the clubhouse after every inning, where he heard Yankees broadcaster Michael Kay “say I had a perfect game from the fifth inning on.”

Things still managed to work out okay.

– Jason

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A.J. Pierzynski, No-Hitter Etiquette, Ricky Romero

When Bad Things (Pierzynski) Happen to Good Pitchers (Romero)

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In the late innings of a no-hitter, certain etiquette is expected from batters. A.J. Pierzynski has never been much for etiquette.

Toronto’s Ricky Romero held the White Sox hitless for seven full innings yesterday, but leading off the eighth, Pierzynski watched a sinking pitch bounce into the dirt near his foot without hitting him, then proceeded to wince, hop and hobble to first.

The fact that the umpires didn’t challenge the masquerade is far less relevant to this conversation than the Chicago catcher’s level of respect for what was happening on the field.

Pierzynski loves to get into the heads of the opposition, and this play was no different. Sure enough, he managed to distract Romero enough for the pitcher to groove one to the next hitter, Alex Rios, who pounded it over the left-field wall for a two-run homer.

Was Pierzynski’s act acceptable?

Pro: Romero had already walked two hitters, so Pierzynski’s acting didn’t destroy a perfect game. With the score 4-0, Pierzynski did manage to become only his team’s third baserunner.

Con: He didn’t even bring the tying run to the plate, let alone the winning run. And while in-game scams are a forte for Pierzynski, the notion prevails that hitters are expected to give their best efforts in situations like this. (The argument that his weasel act is Pierzynski’s best effort, while comical, doesn’t fly.)

It doesn’t take a great pitcher to throw a no-hitter (Greg Maddux didn’t; Bud Smith did), but it does take a combination of a perfect night, a bit of luck and just a touch of magic—a rare set of circumstances that presents us with baseball at its best.

For that combination to be ruined by trickery or deceit does injustice to the game, the fans and the pitcher in question.

Perhaps one day Pierzynski will learn. (But don’t count on it.)

– Jason

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C.C. Sabathia, Clay Kirby, Don Wilson, Joe Girardi, No-Hitter Etiquette, Preston Gomez

Thinking About Pulling Your Pitcher During His Own No-Hitter? It’s Been Done Before

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An interesting side-note from C.C. Sabathia’s near-no hitter yesterday was that, even had Tampa Bay’s Kelly Shoppach failed to record his team’s first hit with two outs in the eighth inning, Yankees manager Joe Girardi was ready to pull Sabathia anyway.

The decision was all about pitch count; Shoppach’s single came on Sabathia’s 111th pitch of the night. Despite Sabathia’s established reputation for extraordinary stamina, Girardi wanted to take no chances this early in the season.

Had he pulled his pitcher in the middle of a no-hitter, it wouldn’t have been the first time it’s happened.

When Preston Gomez was managing the Padres in 1970, he yanked starter Clay Kirby, not due to fear of overload, but because a series of first-inning walks and stolen bases by the Mets gave them a 1-0 lead. Despite his eight no-hit innings, he was pulled for a pinch-hitter in the bottom of the frame.

In ’74, Gomez did it again as manager of the Astros, pulling Don Wilson after eight no-hit innings, while trailing 2-1.

While that technically qualifies as precedent for Girardi, Gomez’s career winning percentage was .395, and his teams finished somewhere other than last place only once in seven years.

That certainly had more to do with talent-free rosters than stirring up bad baseball juju, but it’s still something that Mr. Girardi might want to consider should a similar situation arise in the future.

– Jason

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